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1-800-Radiator Thread
« on: July 15, 2010, 10:09:44 PM »
I'd like to start off this thread by inviting others to join me in cordial discourse with regard to 1-800-Radiator.  Currently, the Blog Comment section is too difficult for me to keep up with, so I've kicked off this thread.

Please, let's make comments that are useful, helpful, or otherwise pertinent.  Nobody gets anything good out of obscene and/or slanderous remarks.

Full disclosure: I am an owner.  I am not a fan of Corporate, their agenda, or the management.  I believe they have misrepresented facts on numerous occasions.  Their tactics are crude, myopic, and entirely aimed at squeezing the franchisees as hard as possible for as long as possible...without regard to franchisee profitability.  It is my opinion that the whole organization from middle-management up stinks of frat-house ego and testosterone addled Gordon Gekko wanna-be-isms.

Questions?  Comments?  Let's hear 'em.




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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 07:09:14 AM »
**Oops***

To the Mods.  Please move this post to the proper Forum. 

I just realized I put it in the "Introduce Yourself" area instead of "Franchise Discussions".

Sorry about that.

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 12:06:43 PM »
I agree the other thread about 1-800 Radiator is entirely too hard to follow. I was interested to hear more about what people have to say about this company.

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 04:41:36 PM »
<i>I was interested to hear more about what people have to say about this company.</i>

It sucks.
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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 01:10:15 PM »
I don't want to be completely unfair about 1-800, so I'll say this.  There appears to be a good number of locations that are doing good business---especially since going full-bore with the A/C product lines.  That seems to have helped margins for many locations.  Maybe that's a good sign.  Maybe that means Corp finally got their heads straight and realized it's not good for anyone if franchisees are dropping out all over the place.  I really hope they have shifted gears into being actual facilitators of profit instead of their usual role as a giant money vacuum.  Maybe the expanded product line will be the savior to this mess.  It's just unfortunate that so many owners couldn't stay out of bankruptcy long enough to make it to this point.

Of course, the problem is, they're still the same people they've always been.  They're still draconian, they're still full of macho-bully puffery, they still lie, and they still squeeze as hard as they can wherever and whenever possible.  They STILL don't provide the support structure they promised in the beginning and I doubt they ever will. 

A lot of people spent their life savings+ on what, to many of us, has had all of the hallmarks of being a scheme.  Lots of unfillfilled 'promises', lots of unilateral ammendments to the contract, lots of $ at the top of the structure and very little at the bottom.
Anyone see Penn & Teller's BS show on Showtime recently that examined MLM?  So much of it sounded just like the 1-800 trap.

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 02:56:03 PM »
How many would you say are still in business vs. ones that are on the edge of closing or have closed?

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 09:17:16 PM »
How many would you say are still in business vs. ones that are on the edge of closing or have closed?

It would be irresponsible for me to guess, and I can't say for sure. 

As I mentioned before, there are definitely some warehouses making some money out there.  I believe most of those are big metro areas.

There are certainly a bunch of owners right now who are on the edge, or who have closed in the last year.  At least ten that I can think of right off hand.  Of course, there's no real way to know how many have actually closed, because we don't have access to that info.

The thing is, there are a lot of owners, and each of us only know a fixed number of other owners intimately enough to know their state of being.  Based on the number of other owners I know, and the number of those who are hurting, then extrapolating that number across the board, I have to think there are a lot of unhappy owners out there.  It's no Gallup Poll for sure, so take it with a grain of salt.

I closed last year

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 12:28:28 PM »
Hello I thought Corp closed this comments here nice to see it is up and running.  I lost my lifsavings with Rippies now I work at Walmart now. I even lost my car and home. what a mistake after 30 years of work.ll my money gone. My wife even sold her weddding band and I sod our burail plots just to stay above water but they took my money then took the store back i had no money left to fight back.

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2010, 06:15:39 PM »
Let's hope this discussion forum doesn't also get shut down once it gets picked up by search engines.

My name is Samir.  I am a former franchisee who had my entire story documented online on the forum at www.franchise-chat.com until it was suddenly taken offline.  I strongly suspect strong-arm techniques by the zor shut this site down since the content in that discussion thread would show up in the top results on an Internet search on this franchisor.  The truth was getting out there, so it was wiped off the face of the Earth.  It's time to disseminate the truth far and wide, so they can't do this again.

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 08:52:11 PM »
If anyone wants it, I have most the franchise-chat forum on 1-800.
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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2010, 11:22:11 PM »
The Pundit is a lawyer and probably well connected with other lawyers, so I cannot imagine Ryan backing down from a challenge.   Callum unfortunately was not a lawyer and apparently was threatened several times so it is understandable as well as unfortunate that he removed threads.  That is why I stopped posting there as the value of the Internet as an archive was diminished significantly by such actions.

Michael, it would  be nice if you or someone like Solomon could rehost some of the more contentious threads.  I would like to see that Filta-Fry thread restored also as it was useful and instructive. 
Actually Solomon would e ideal as I would to see his response to one of those legal threats.  I would buy a ticket for that.   It might be the first time I ever saw go fornicate with yourself in legalese.









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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 02:05:20 AM »
Difference in libel laws makes a huge difference - Ryan is not legally responsible for the things that are posted here.

In New Zealand, Callum was potentially liable and the costs of such a fight would be too much.

I have 11 of the 12 pages from the old forum and they do make interesting reading.

Not sure I can upload it, so I will have to make a link.
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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2010, 02:30:34 AM »
Here is part one.  Over the my blog with the pdf from the franchise-forum on 1-800- Radiator,

http://bizop.ca/blog1/the_franchise_news/2010/07/1-800-radiator-due-diligence-part.html
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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 12:08:34 PM »
Here is part one.  Over the my blog with the pdf from the franchise-forum on 1-800- Radiator,

http://bizop.ca/blog1/the_franchise_news/2010/07/1-800-radiator-due-diligence-part.html

Nice to see Mr. Webster and Samir in on the conversation.  I've spoken to both of you in the past.  I'm still trying to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but it's nice to see you both here.  Thanks for preserving that information, Mr. Webster.


I've not heard anything about 1-800 filing their FDDs as they promised they were about to do.  Anyone heard anything there?

Side note, if there are any owners out there who are reading this...  Has Ted Rippey visited your location this summer?  Remember Corp vowed that there would be an illustrious World Tour headlined by Teddyboy this summer and that he would be personally visiting each location to discuss profitability issues and anything else that might come up?    Has anyone seen or heard from him?  I certainly haven't, and I don't know any other owners who have.  One too many doors slammed in his face, maybe.  Or maybe the whole thing is just one more lie in a long string of them.

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Re: 1-800-Radiator Thread
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 03:29:46 PM »
If anyone wants it, I have most the franchise-chat forum on 1-800.
Michael, I would love to have a copy of those pages if you have them in their entirety.  I will also be able to convert them back to html and host them where no one can take them down ever again.  Feel free to contact me here or via email (which I believe you still have).