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ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« on: April 16, 2008, 05:20:28 PM »
HELLO..I AM LOOKING INTO OPOENING A CICIS PIZZA AND WONDERING IF ANY ONE OUT THERE IS A CICIS OWNER OR HAS DELT WITH CICIS AND CAN GIVE ME ADVICE THANK YOU

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Re: ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 01:30:18 AM »
A story...

Tonight I took the little woman and the boy out house hunting and to dinner.   The house hunting trip was a disaster, but we cruised around looking for a new concept to explore and came  across a roll your own, wood oven, BBQ joint.  Greek BBQ at that.  Intrigued we went in, determined there was something to eat for all and ordered our food.  The first thing I noticed was it was obviously owner operated.  the second, third, and fourth thing I noticed was the owner was not only a BBQ artisan but  he loved his work, loved his business, and loved his customers.  He gave me the grand tour, we went in the kitchen shared his BBQ secrets and a good time was had by all.

And yes there is a point to this story.   To get up like this man does and he does not "go to work", he goes "to his life's work".  That man is happy, his happiness radiates through the place, he has found his calling.   

Cut to Cici's.  I have eaten there, talked to a couple of operators.  There is no joy.  There MAY be money there, but there is more to life.  I strongly encourage anyone in the food business to be there out of passion: out of love.  That is not to say you do not need to look for profits; profit must be there.  But normally those profits accrue to owner operators who attend to their business.  And happiness accrues to those who love their work.

Cici's may be profitable but here is the reality.   The basic concept is get into a high traffic area, take on a heap of debt, lease a giant space, run a high volume through a marginally profitable offering, and count on the fact that you will crank enough volume out of the shop to pay your debt and operating costs and still show a profit.  The key is volume and cost control.   Does this formula work, yes it has time and again. Would I ever engage in it, no way.   Like I said there is no joy there for me; maybe though there will be joy for you.

One more point, my observation is the concept is not what makes this operation work, rather it is the location.  In other words, I suggest, almost any concept will do that uses a similar formula in the same location.   

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Re: ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 01:21:31 AM »
CiCi's where do I start with that.

Hope this helps. Lets start with some basic math that you should do before buying anything.

Q: Rent space ?

Q: Franchise Fee ?

Q: Investment ?

Q: Debt ?

Answer those questions.

Know, lets take Arizona Market for instance.

Restaurant Sqft: 4200 sqft.

Typical rent in Arizona goes for : $25 a sqft in a lower area...So assume $27 with a cam charge.

Rent Cost year: $113,400 ( WOW BIG RENT ) Monthly: $9,450

Assume you did: $900,000 a year

Labor : 28% ( 252,000 a year )
Note: Its hard to think that you can hit labor of 26% with increase in workers comp, hourly wage etc...

Food Cost: 29% = $261,000

Franchise Fee: 4% + 2% marketing = 6%

So your at

Labor + Food Cost + Franchise Fee + Rent ( 113,400 / 900,000 = 13 % ) = 76%

Know add following to it:

Debt: ( All ways assume higher investment cost ) $650,000 to open

20 % down = 130,000 ... Debt: $520,000... Loan 8% for 7 years = $9,657.00 a monthly payment for principle + interest = $115,885 for debt a  year.

Labor + Food Cost + Franchise Fee + Rent + Debt = 88.8 %

Know add your general expense such as utilities, uniform, maintain ace, other, etc....Which is 10% typical in restaurant business.

So...

Labor + Food Cost + Franchise Fee + Rent + Debt + General Expense = 98%... .

So your expense is 98% eaving you with 2% profit margin, if you are very good and do it your self and manage your business right, lets say you hit 5 or 7 % profit margin.

So if you do $900,000 a year.... you will make following net income:

At 2 % profit you make $18,000 a year

at 5 % profit you make $45,000

At 8% profit you make $72,000.00

Know, I can BET My life you will not make more than 5 or 6 % of profit if you work hard and save all the cost...Why , simple ? You have high rent and high debt.

In restaurant business... RENT AND DEBT WILL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS.

Problem:

CiCi Pizza are too big of sqft, which in return increases your rent. In addition it has a high cost build out.

IF THE FRANCHISER TELLS you that you can have your restaurant build for $400,000 DO NOT BUY IT, ask them for that exact amount in WRITING and if it cost more than the company is responsible for it.

If a franchise tells you that build out cost is between $400 - 600. Assume the highest , 600... iF they say 400, ask them in writing.

Never take franchiser word for anything.


At the end, is it worth it. NO NO NO.

For $600,000 you basically bought your self a job.   

Hope that helps...
My numbers are pretty close...

TRUST ME U WILL NOT MAKE 15 or 20% profit..... IF SOME ONE CLAIMS THAT, than they are idiot.

Remember in lease property, Debt and rent is not consider as of profit.

Never include Debt as your profit... Because end of day what matters is what you take home


Working 50 - 70 hours a week at a restaurant to make $50,000 a year... Not worth it.


Hope this helps in your research.

Ben


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Re: ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 01:26:39 AM »
FuwaFuwaUsagi is correct.

If you do decide to buy a CICI Pizza at your own risk. Ensure that the restaurant is in a lower income level.

You can't have a $4.99 buffet in rich area . This concept will do very well in lower or middle class income and a good lunch crowed.


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Re: ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 12:50:31 PM »
A story...

Tonight I took the little woman and the boy out house hunting and to dinner.   The house hunting trip was a disaster, but we cruised around looking for a new concept to explore and came  across a roll your own, wood oven, BBQ joint.  Greek BBQ at that.  Intrigued we went in, determined there was something to eat for all and ordered our food.  The first thing I noticed was it was obviously owner operated.  the second, third, and fourth thing I noticed was the owner was not only a BBQ artisan but  he loved his work, loved his business, and loved his customers.  He gave me the grand tour, we went in the kitchen shared his BBQ secrets and a good time was had by all.

And yes there is a point to this story.   To get up like this man does and he does not "go to work", he goes "to his life's work".  That man is happy, his happiness radiates through the place, he has found his calling.   

Cut to Cici's.  I have eaten there, talked to a couple of operators.  There is no joy.  There MAY be money there, but there is more to life.  I strongly encourage anyone in the food business to be there out of passion: out of love.  That is not to say you do not need to look for profits; profit must be there.  But normally those profits accrue to owner operators who attend to their business.  And happiness accrues to those who love their work.

Cici's may be profitable but here is the reality.   The basic concept is get into a high traffic area, take on a heap of debt, lease a giant space, run a high volume through a marginally profitable offering, and count on the fact that you will crank enough volume out of the shop to pay your debt and operating costs and still show a profit.  The key is volume and cost control.   Does this formula work, yes it has time and again. Would I ever engage in it, no way.   Like I said there is no joy there for me; maybe though there will be joy for you.

One more point, my observation is the concept is not what makes this operation work, rather it is the location.  In other words, I suggest, almost any concept will do that uses a similar formula in the same location.   

FuwaFuwaUsagi

I was browsing through old posts and came across this one.  It's a great one for all to read.

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Re: ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 05:03:15 PM »
The Pundit writes:

I was browsing through old posts and came across this one.  It's a great one for all to read.

My reply:

Thanks for the kind words Ryan, but did you up my karma points - NOOOO!!!!!!  Cheap &(*%$&^ - LOL!!!

Once a year, whether I need to or not, I try and bring value to the forum.

All the best my friend,

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Re: ARE CICIS PIZZA PROFITABLE
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 04:33:43 AM »
The Pundit writes:

I was browsing through old posts and came across this one.  It's a great one for all to read.

My reply:

Thanks for the kind words Ryan, but did you up my karma points - NOOOO!!!!!!  Cheap &(*%$&^ - LOL!!!

Once a year, whether I need to or not, I try and bring value to the forum.

All the best my friend,

FuwaFuwaUsagi





haha karma points up by one   :D